A court heard today that Ryan Giggs and his ex-girlfriend made explicit videos together and had a “healthy sex life” that sometimes got “rough.”
The 48-year-old former Manchester United player testified in his domestic violence trial that he and his ex-girlfriend Kate Greville filmed X-rated videos throughout their relationship.
When his attorney, Chris Daw QC, inquired about their sexual life, Giggs said, ‘It was the same as always. We had a healthy sex life and sometimes it could get rough.’
During a corporate crazy golf event for his agent’s firm, he was partnered with an anonymous TV personality, causing Ms. Greville to become “uncomfortable,” according to him.
The party, which included cricket players, then travelled to Winter Wonderland in London’s Hyde Park, where they had a reservation for a table of 20 in the German beer hall.
Giggs told the court today that he started fighting with Ms Greville at the party after she accused him of “flirting.”
Speaking about the incident, he told jurors: ‘I got paired with a lady who’s a sport presenter. Kate got paired with someone else. Kate felt uneasy with who she was paired with.
‘She wasn’t happy I was paired with a sport presenter, understandably. She didn’t know many people there. It would have been a couple of hours, having a few drinks.’
Giggs was asked why she was ‘uncomfortable’, prompting Giggs to say that the woman he was paired with ‘was an attractive lady’.
Giggs said that Ms. Greville afterwards accused him of flirting with the sportscaster, which he rejected, and that they argued over it. Mr Daw asked: ‘Had you (flirted) on this occasion?’
Giggs replied: ‘No. I was at one end of the table speaking to my agent and a few cricketers I knew and the other end were a group of girls who worked for the agency, and the sports presenter I mentioned.
‘I thought we were getting on fine. I said (to Kate) ‘is everything OK?’ and she said ‘no, not really’, which surprised me.
‘She just accused me of flirting with the girl which I was not. We were at opposite ends of the table. She said ‘you kept looking at her, I was watching you, you were definitely flirting’.’
The court heard that the December 2019 dispute escalated to an argument at the Stafford Hotel in London, when Ms. Greville alleges he hurled a laptop-containing bag at her head, kicked her out of bed, and expelled her nude into the hallway.
It comes after Giggs revealed in court yesterday that he is a ‘love cheat’ who can ‘never’ resist a beautiful woman, as he admitted to cheating on his first wife with Kate Greville after his’very public’ affair with his sister-in-law.
The ex-footballer testified in court that he is a natural flirt who has “never” been loyal to any of his ex-girlfriends.
In a frank account of his romantic history, the ex-Premier League player revealed that he is “never” able to resist a beautiful lady, regardless of whether he is in a relationship or not.
He also told the jury that he had been unfaithful to his ex-wife Stacey Giggs during a’very public affair’ – referring to his eight-year fling with his sister-in-law that resulted in her becoming pregnant – and a later entanglement with now ex-girlfriend Kate Greville, an affair he admitted allowed him to ‘have his cake and eat it’.
However, he vehemently denied ever assaulting Ms. Greville, who accused him of ‘headbutting’ her after an altercation at his £1.7 million property. When asked whether he had ever abused a female, Giggs said, “No.”
The former Wales midfielder’s confession came as he started testifying in his domestic violence case.
Giggs is accused of attacking his ex-girlfriend Ms. Greville and her sister Emma in November 2020 at his house in Worsley, Greater Manchester.
Currently on trial, he rejects the allegations as well as utilising controlling and coercive behaviour against ex-girlfriend Kate during their ‘toxic’ six-year on-and-off relationship.
Today Giggs entered the witness box for his second day of evidence over allegations of assault and controlling behaviour.
His barrister Mr Daw asked Giggs, wearing a grey suit and standing to face the jury, whether he had ever been sent off in the more than 1,000 matches he played in his 24-year career.
Giggs replied: ‘Once for Wales. It was for two bookable offences.’ He said it was ‘part and parcel’ of being a footballer to be wound up and verbally abused on the pitch.
Mr Daw asked: ‘On any occasion did you react to any of that with violence?’ ‘No,’ replied Giggs.
Giggs also told the court he and Kate Greville had a healthy sex life and that sometimes it could get rough.
Giggs was asked about a message including a picture of him with the word ‘Bully’. He told the court the message was ‘a joke’ after he had a scratch on his neck from sex.
The court heard Ms Greville replied: ‘Oops, sorry baby. I have a bruise on my arm but you can’t see it because I’m so brown.’
Asked by Mr Daw about the nature of Giggs’ and Ms Greville’s sex life during this time, Giggs said: ‘The nature was the same as it had always been – a healthy sex life and sometimes it could get rough.’
Mr Daw also asked Giggs about an allegation that he was putting more pressure on Ms Greville to have sex. He replied: ‘Whenever we had sex it was always mutual.’
Mr Daw went through a series of messages between Giggs and Ms Greville in 2017. A message from Ms Greville to Giggs said: ‘I want you so badly. Rough xx.’ Giggs replied: ‘Do you? I’m scared of hurting you.’
Ms Greville said: ‘I want it to hurt a little, not in a weird way, I just want you to shock and surprise me.’
In response to a message from Giggs that it was ‘a fine line,’ Ms Greville then said: ‘We’ll just have to have fun finding that line then.’
Asked by Chris Daw QC about whether the pair had an equal interest in rough sex, Ryan Giggs replied: ‘From this exchange it looks like Kate, but throughout the relationship it was just mutual.’
The court heard that Giggs and Ms Greville frequently made sex videos together during their tumultuous on-off relationship.
When asked what he did with the videos when he and Ms Greville were going through an off period, Giggs told the court that he deleted them from his phone.
He also said that when he and Ms Greville would rekindle their romance that she would then send them to him again.
As part of evidence, Giggs was today asked about an incident at the Stafford Hotel in London in December 2019 in which Ms Greville claims he threw a bag at her head with a laptop on it, kicked her out of bed and ejected her naked into the corridor.
He told the court the couple had earlier travelled down for his agent’s Christmas party which included a mini-golf tournament, a trip to Winter Wonderland in Hyde Park and a visit to a nightclub.
A draw took place for the golf event as Giggs was paired with a female sports presenter, who he described as an ‘attractive lady’.
Ms Greville was not happy, he said, and they swapped golfing partners to play alongside each other.
The party of about 20 people moved on to Winter Wonderland where a table had been booked at a Bavarian beer garden tent.
Ryan Giggs told the court Kate Greville later accused him of flirting with the TV presenter he had been paired with for the golf.
Mr Daw asked: ‘Had you on this occasion?’ Giggs replied: ‘No. I was at one end of the table speaking to my agent and a few cricketers I knew and the other end were a group of girls who worked for the agency, and the sports presenter I mentioned.
‘I thought we were getting on fine. I said (to Kate) ‘is everything OK?’ and she said ‘no, not really’, which surprised me. She just accused me of flirting with the girl which I was not. We were at opposite ends of the table.
‘She said ‘you kept looking at her, I was watching you, you were definitely flirting’.’
Ryan Giggs told the jury: ‘I was slightly embarrassed we were arguing. I left on my own. I walked to the club where we going next. It was a long walk.’
Others in the party later arrived as Giggs sat in a booth facing the dancefloor. He said: ‘I was sat down and had a clear view of Kate (Greville) and one of the male sports presenters who was present.
‘They were dancing together, holding hands and looking into each other’s eyes. I couldn’t believe it. I said to my agent ‘I’m going’ and got a taxi and went back to the hotel.’
Mr Daw asked: ‘Was there a confrontation in the club?’ Giggs replied: ‘I was tired. I didn’t want to get into an argument. ‘I got a taxi back to the Stafford, got into bed and fell asleep.’
Giggs told the court that after ‘a hour or so’ the concierge rang to ask if he could let in a young woman who claimed she was staying in his room.
An argument followed with Ms Greville in their room as she denied holding hands with the male ‘in the middle of the dancefloor in front of my friends and colleagues’, he added.
Giggs said: ‘Kate was then trying to get into bed and I said I’m not sleeping with you tonight. There was a suite in the room and I said you can sleep in the area where there is a couch.’
He said he threw a Louis Vuitton holdall in the direction of the bed. Giggs said: ‘Kate was still trying to get into bed. I was trying to push her into the lounge area. Then quite quickly the argument fizzled out and we both spent the night together.’
Mr Daw asked Giggs: ‘Did you in any way do anything physical towards her that night?’ The former footballer replied: ‘No, I did not. We were both quite drunk and fell asleep. In the morning we woke up and had sex.’
The next day he was busy with television duties in west London while Ms Greville travelled to a wedding in Shropshire, the court heard.
Giggs later drove back to Manchester at night and collected Ms Greville from the wedding the following morning. He denied her suggestion that he volunteered to pick her up out of guilt.
The court also heard that Giggs and Ms Greville broke up for several weeks around Christmas 2019, but got back together and went on holiday to Dubai in February 2020.
He told the court they had a ‘nice holiday’ until the penultimate day, when he accidentally called her by his ex-wife Stacey’s name when they were on the way back to the hotel from lunch.
He said they had been drinking wine ‘more or less all day’ and were ‘both quite drunk’, adding: ‘It was just a slip of the tongue. She (Kate) wasn’t happy, obviously with the history that we had, the break-up, understandably my ex-wife wasn’t a fan of Kate.
‘I had obviously had issues with the relationship between myself and my ex-wife because of what had happened. She (Kate) took it as a derogatory remark but I didn’t mean it like that – it was just a slip of the tongue.’
Giggs told jurors the argument ‘escalated’ and he asked Ms Greville to leave his hotel room, which she did. He said that before she left, he ‘might have tried to stop her from leaving’ so they could resolve the argument, but did not ‘remember any physical sort of interaction’.
The court heard that Giggs left Dubai alone while Ms Greville stayed on with friends.
‘I was on a flight on my own, devastated,’ he said.
Ms Greville previously told the court that during the argument Giggs had grabbed her bag and pulled it on her arm ‘really hard’, causing her to fall on her knee.
Following the end of the prosecution case, in which Ms Greville accused Giggs of cheating with up to 12 different women during their relationship, the football star’s lawyer Chris Daw QC yesterday called his client to give evidence.
Giggs told how he and Ms Greville pair swapped photographs of each other while they were on their travels including one from her in a cropped gym top.
He told the court: ‘I had never seen her body before. It was the first time I knew she had abs. She was in good shape.’
Chris Daw asked: ‘What impact did that have on you?’ Giggs replied: ‘I thought she looked hot.’
He said he first met Ms Greville in around 2013-14 when she worked for the PR firm employed to look after his businesses with Gary Neville.
Giggs told the court: ‘The first time I met Kate I was immediately attracted to her, I thought she was attractive, I thought she was intelligent, I thought she was funny.’
He confirmed he knew Ms Greville was married at the time and that she knew he was married too – at the time to Stacey Giggs, the mother of his two children.
Giggs said: ‘We were both married. Kate, as we got to know each other, started to open up about how unhappy she was in her marriage. In my marriage I was not as happy as I had been.’
The ex-footballer yesterday admitted being unfaithful to his former wife Stacey Giggs. Asked by Chris Daw QC if he was faithful to Stacey Giggs, 38, the ex-footballer said: ‘No, I wasn’t.’
He said he met his now ex-wife, Stacey, at a barbecue when he was 18 and the pair started a relationship when he was in his late 20s.
He told the court they moved to Worsley, Greater Manchester, and had two children, Libby and Zach.
He described his relationship with his children as ‘very good’ and said they maintain contact ‘every day’.
Asked if he was honest about his infidelity, Giggs replied: ‘I wasn’t honest with her, no.’
Mr Daw began by asking Giggs about his reputation, both on and off the field. Mr Daw asked: ‘To begin with, you are well known all over the world for two things. One, as a footballer?’
‘Yes,’ said Giggs. Mr Daw said: ‘But you are also known for something else, you have a reputation for infidelity?’ Giggs replied: ‘Yes.’ Mr Daw said: ‘Is that reputation justified?’ Giggs said: ‘Yes.’
Chris Daw asked: ‘In the course of your relationships with women, up to and including Ms Greville, have you managed to be faithful to any of them?’ ‘No,’ said Giggs.
The barrister: ‘If an attractive woman has shown you interest regardless of your marital status, are you able to resist?’ Giggs replied: ‘No.’
Mr Daw said: ‘Are you a flirt by nature?’ ‘Yes,’ said Giggs. He confirmed that he lied to his ex-wife Stacey and Ms Greville about his infidelities.
However he said he had never attacked his former partners. Mr Daw asked: ‘Have you ever physically assaulted a woman?’. Giggs replied: ‘No’.
Mr Daw went on: ‘Either on November 1 2020 or on any other occasion?’ Giggs repeated: ‘No.’
His barrister asked: ‘Have you ever set out to control or coerce a woman in any way or in the ways alleged by Ms Greville?’ Giggs said: ‘No.’
Mr Daw continued: ‘Did you make Kate Greville a slave to your every need and every demand as she described?’ Giggs said: ‘I did not.’
He said he started flirting with her after the ‘first couple of times they met’ and they went on to socialise among their work group.
Giggs said their contact moved to the ‘next level’ when he met her alone as she collected a signed football shirt for her mother.
Recalling the first time he and Ms Greville slept together during a work trip to London planned ahead of a photo-shoot for Cafe Football, Giggs said: ‘I think there was a lot of flirtation.
‘Nothing was made solid. But we were going to spend the night together for the first time.
‘Kate had sourced the hotel. I sorted the train tickets out. Kate booked the hotel room and we travelled on the train together.’
Giggs said they were invited by the hotel manager to look round the room but it was ‘really small’ and he was given a ‘bigger room’
He continued: ‘We both agreed it was a really nice room.
‘We dropped the bags off and went to the roof, to the terrace bar.
‘We had a few drinks, we got on really well. I had an interview and pictures the next day so I wasn’t going to drink that much.’ Giggs said he had ‘two or three drinks’ before he and Ms Greville went back to the room.
Asked if it was the first time the couple were ‘sexually active together’ Giggs replied that it was and that both were as equally as keen. He added: ‘We went back to the room, had sex and we stayed the night.’
He said Ms Greville eventually left her husband and said ‘it was no longer than six months’ after their first sexual contact.
Giggs said he continued to stay at his family home with then wife Stacey and their two children as the affair carried on.
Chris Daw said: ‘You then finally brought the relationship with Stacey to an end?’
Giggs said: ‘It was a press article where I was linked with Kate. She (Stacey) questioned me about it. I denied it.’
He said it was ‘hard’ to leave the family home following the story published in May 2016 as he first went to live nearby with his mother before he stayed in an apartment in Salford Quays with a friend.
Mr Daw asked: ‘Was it an amicable situation with Stacey or was it challenging?’
Giggs said: ‘No, I would say challenging.’
Shortly after in the summer of 2016 he said Ms Greville was planning to move to Abu Dhabi for a work opportunity.
Giggs said that in 2016 Kate Greville had the opportunity to launch a business in Abu Dhabi, and that he ‘didn’t want her to go’ but that the pair decided they would ‘make it work’.
Giggs was asked about the first two-year period of his relationship with Kate Greville.
He confirmed there were ‘ups and downs’ and they had a ‘mutual’ issue about how quickly they would respond to each other’s messages.
He said: ‘Early on it was a joke.
‘It became a pattern – ‘you must be busy, no time to speak to me’. It was a pattern pretty early on in the relationship.’
Giggs told how Ms Greville returned to the UK in 2018 from her job in the Middle East.
He said: ‘Kate was not enjoying the work in Abu Dhabi, she felt a bit lonely.’
He admitted that in the 15-month period Ms Greville was in Abu Dhabi, he had been seeing other women, but had not been open with her about it.
He said he ‘welcomed’ Ms Greville’s decision to come back to the UK and employed her as head of PR of the business he ran with Gary Neville.
He said: ‘She was then going to work for mine and Gary’s company. Looking after Cafe Football and Hotel Football and we were about to launch the Stock Exchange hotel full time. I thought she was amazing at her job.
‘Myself and Gary had worked with her before she went to Abu Dhabi and it was one of the reasons, we knew what she was capable of.
‘It felt right, it was an opportunity for her to come back. Me and Kate were going out and she knew about the different businesses and where we wanted to take the company. She just wanted to be her own boss and was excited about the challenge.’
Giggs said that she was the most senior member of staff in her department, earning around £100,000 a year. He said she made a good start and impressed Neville.
Giggs told the court he had interview for the role of manager of the Wales national football team in January 2018.
He described it as a ‘dream job’ but said there were ‘demands’ and ‘pressure’ that came with the role. He said: ‘It was a huge job. I put pressure on myself. I wanted to be the best manager I could be. I watched as many players as I could.’
Mr Daw asked about an incident at the Westin Hotel in Dubai in 2017, when Kate Greville alleges Ryan Giggs dragged her naked body across the floor of his hotel room before throwing her belongings into a corridor.
Giggs said they had been ‘delighted’ to have a chance to see each other again while he was playing in a futsal tournament in Dubai.
He told the court they went to a club that night and were initially ‘getting on really well’.
Giggs said things took a turn for the worse after he started replying to a message from his daughter.
‘I could just feel Kate sort of looking over and sort of wondering who I was messaging. I just got a bit irritated because she was making it quite obvious she was peering over my shoulder. I just said: ‘I’m messaging Libby’.
‘It felt like she didn’t believe it was Libby who I was messaging.’ Giggs said he then ‘stormed off’ and went back to his hotel room.
Giggs said Ms Greville followed him back to his hotel room and the pair started arguing. He told the court: ‘I said: ‘You are accusing me of messaging someone when it was my daughter’.
‘She didn’t like that and we just got into an argument about it.’
Giggs denied there was any ‘physical element’ to the argument and said he started packing Ms Greville’s suitcase after telling her he didn’t want her to stay with him.
‘Kate was trying to stop me from putting clothes and various other stuff into the suitcase. I didn’t manage to shut it but I was ushering her towards the front door with the suitcase.’
He said they were ‘half outside’ in the corridor and half in the hotel room before Ms Greville managed to get the suitcase back and get back into the room.